HA Goodman Live! Conversation on His Controversial Perspective on Israel



HA Goodman Live! Conversation on His Controversial Perspective on Israel.

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36 thoughts on “HA Goodman Live! Conversation on His Controversial Perspective on Israel

  1. Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, was the Bolshevik Zionist who procured arms from communist Russia so the Israelis could win their war against the Arabs and Palestinians in 1948. Other things worth noting; WW1 saw end of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of the Balfour Declaration. WW2 created the conditions for the mass exodus of European Jews to Palestine and Zionist collaboration with the nazis. Cultural Marxism and neoconservatism both emanate from Trotskyite emigres from eastern Europe. JFK wanted international inspections of Israel's secret nuclear facilities, his alleged assassin was killed by Jacob Rubenstien. LBJ's mistress was an Irgun operative. LBJ never held Israel accountable for trying to sink the USS Liberty yet LBJ increased financial assistance to Israel. On 911 five Israelis were caught in NJ celebrating the twin tower attacks, other Israelis were caught driving moving vans filled with explosives near the George Washington bridge. Zionist neocon Richard Peal created the list of countries to be attacked by the US in the so called war on terror. Both Netanyahu and Ehud Barak insisted the US attack Iraq. Is it any wonder now that HA Goodman is a progressive leftist and a Zionist neocon?

  2. what claim do khazarian jews (85% of jews) with 1200 yrs of jewish history and no historic or genetic attachment to palestine have over palestinians of whom 85% do have historic and genetic attachment to the area? palestinians are more semetic than jews.

  3. I appreciate the civil debate about such triggering topic, which is a rare occurrence these days, especially on the left ( I am saying this being on the left myself). I generally dislike HA but he brings the other side's perspective, which is needed if we want to have an honest discussion. In my view, both sides are to blame because none of them genuinely wants a solution. Each of them just wants to annihilate the other one, but they are not honest about it with the public and the international community. Simple as that. There is no point in recycling the history of this conflict because it only perpetuates it. Regardless of what happened in the past, the solution depends on whether both sides want the solution. Unfortunately, they don't. And everyone who takes sides in this conflict contributes into the continuation of the bloodshed. The best thing the international community can do is to use any means to force both sides to sit at the talk table and for that it should avoid taking sides at all costs. And that's what all these activists who claim that they care so much about Palestinians should do.

  4. Having come from a position of not knowing HA and only really hearing about him in reference and portions of rants, I came out of this with a lot more respect for HA Goodman in general, thanks for this, for the most part I find myself in agreement with him, continuation of peace talks is definitely a good position.

  5. That political rhetoric ideal of "terrorism" as inspiring terror in the literal sense can be taken too far. Just stick to the definition of terrorism as the act of purposely targeting civilians/non combatants. It gets grey with the idea of "collateral damage" but its far less dangerous than the greyness of what defines terrorism by subjective moral standards.

  6. HA posits the comparison of genocide to some very extreme examples, genocidal behaviour can be quite extensive in ideals, indirectly killing off a population or their culture etc, so yes there are genocidal aspects to the idea of Israel's expansion of territories, but he is right in that there are two sides to that coin, there is genocidal ideals and behaviours from Islamic groups and certain Palestinians too. Thats why it is generally a good idea to work against extremist beliefs in political and religious sectors.

  7. We need some global actions to sever these persisting church and state connections of all kinds. Further define the distinctions of the Jewish people and their multitudes of heritage from their faith as Judaism and work to remove Sharia law as a political form. I think that would help to minimise partiality in how borders are drawn and the availability of holy sites.

  8. HA Goodman doesn't know shit about Rwanda and should stop abusing the subject for props. Machetes are tools intended for agriculture, not evidence of intent to murder. The mainstream story drips of racist sensationalism and lacks in coherence; doesn't bother HA though. Defaulting half to one million casualties to "tutsi macheted by hutu in 100 days" is baseless.

  9. @06:40 Palestenians do have a claim but Jews too have a claim.
    Ignorant Goodman. Hebrews, not Jews, have a claim & Palestenians have too. Palestenians are Muslim, Jews, Christians & athiests. Those who enforce the so-called "Jewish Claim" are not even Hebrew. It is the same if Pakistanis lay claime to Palestine cause they are "Muslims. There is a percentage.. not small that are Hebrews (jews from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Morroco, Spain Ethiopia, etc but those are suppressed too. The powerful are not Hebrew. Israel is a typical colony like Rhodesia using religion for justification.

  10. Most Americans self identify as Christians. The rest face discrimination. Most Americans self identify as white, the rest can't feel as entitled. Let's try to promote a universal self identity; we all wish for social peace and to have our daily survival assured. Surely we can accomplish at least that much.

  11. H.A.'s bullshitting, has no winning argument, and going on his usual endless repetitive loops… The aggressor here is Israel, Palestine ppl have the right to fight against occupation of their land. They're blowing themselves up because they're desperate enough to do it, in the face of the genocide being committed by Israel.

  12. Jamal – Native Americans and Nomadic Arabs didn't really have a concept of nation-states or national borders until it was introduced by European and Persian cartographers

  13. I'm not saying HA has no argument but I'm saying he has no argument. Unless the Palestinians (aka Jordanian Nomads) plan on genociding the Israeli- or vice versa- they're going to have to learn to live together.
    Muslims occupy the Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock: no Christians or Jews allowed
    Jewish occupied holy sites are open to all
    You can't have a peace agreement until one side wins a war

  14. I tend to be pro-Israel/Jewish in any given debate because, over the years, I believe that Israel’s stance has been the most reasonable position. I base this on two propositions. The first is that I can think of no other country that has conquered territory through war and has been “requested” to return it to its enemies in exchange for peace. Ordinarily, the victorious country has been deemed in the right to continue subduing and/or wiping out enemies within its borders in order to settle the question and achieve peace. 
    Secondly, there were approximately 800,000 Palestinian refugees in 1948. Why haven’t the neighboring Arab countries absorbed them in that amount of time. Could it be that it would have resulted in removing an issue and a cause for continuing hostilities? I believe that they wanted to use the Palestinian issue as a thorn in Israel’s side…a cause celebre for ongoing conflict.
    Israel, in my view, has been patient and long suffering in agreement after agreement to establish a Palestinian state that has only resulted in vicious attacks by the PLO and Hamas. The only just argument that can be made is one of proportion in retaliation…but then…after years of living under attack what would be proportional? I mean…woe unto the enemy that would attack the United States in such a manner. We know NOTHING ABOUT PROPORTION! All a country has to do is to have resources and take a dislike to us…and we come down on it like the wrath of God until we run out of bombs! I’m not saying we are right to do so…but why do we apply a different standard to Israel when they have a lot more justification than we do?
    Israeli- Palestinian Conflict
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict
    Timeline:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict_(2015–2016)
    The Oslo Accords:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
    Right of return:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return
    Once more H.A.’s position is more altruistic than mine. He believes there should be a Palestinian State. I think they gave up the right of return and lands when they used their proximity to Israel as a strategic position from which to launch rockets and sneak attacks with bombs at school buses, restaurants, etc. We wouldn’t put up with it for a minute.

  15. HA is repeating propaganda that is not backed up by facts. The claim of 7 Arab armies attacking Israel is not the accurate picture. Please read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. Please learn what the village files were – advance studies of details of the villages to be able to take them out when the time came. Learn about Plan Dalet – the plan to wage ethnic cleansing. Learn about Stern Gang, Irgun, Haganah – Zionist terrorist gangs that evolved into the IDF. Israel was founded by terror. Of course Hamas and Fatah disagree, but Palestinians are not free to choose their own leadership while under occupation and Israel coopts who it can – a Fatah leader was profiting selling cement to Israel to build the wall! There are endless ways to coopt those under occupation and divide people under occupation. Dick Wilson's Goons killed Lakota natives in Pine Ridge. AIM tried to protect those people. Does that mean the genocide against those people is a side issue? People put under those conditions will at times, abuse each other. Did Jews not police the camps in Nazi Germany? Yes, they did. Did the Zionists collaborate with the Nazis way more than the Mufti of Jerusalem? Yes, they did. Human communities are not monolithic – ethnic cleansing and stealing land out from under people is still wrong – even if those people treat each other badly in many cases. If the end of Israel means equal rights for all people there and respect for all religions, then I am for the end of Israel. If continuing Israel cannot be done without continuing the ethnic cleansing and occupation, then it must end. Non-white Jews are treated as second class citizens in Israel – worse than non-Jewish Europeans (i.e. stealing of Yemeni children, Ethiopian women given birth control without their consent…) Israel is actually white supremacist, but it also has its own racism against those who are not Jewish – it is called Jewish supremacy and it is in fact racist. Sorry, but Zionism really is racism and Israel really is committing genocide. And believe it or not, I not only care about the Palestinian people, I also care about the Jewish people and the Jewish people are being sold a bill of goods when they are told Zionism is for them. Free yourself, H A. I am pretty sure you are better than this. Look honestly at the facts. It is hard, but only when we are honest can we hope to build a peaceful future together.

  16. HA kept going on about how Jamarl was going to experience hate for stating his views. First, I don't think JT is going to have some kind of overwhelming force of hate for stating his legit views on the issues, and I would like to know if he indeed did get such hate as HA was alluding to. Lots of strawman argumentative points on HA's rebuttals but I do think that the way JT handled this discussion may indeed lead HA to a conscious analysis of his views and perhaps even remodification (towards truly understanding the plit of the Palestinian people) in, at least, a couple of his views on this Issue.

  17. You sound like you don't like the idea of land ownership. So no one should own any land or have a state recognized by UN. And there were people in this land but not all were the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians. And most of them have no oral or written history before 1776 and can name no king, president, sheikh, emir, bedouin leader or imam in this land before 1776. And Arabs love history and they had language for a long time. Why are there no "history" about any city or region or nationhood in this region related to Arabs/ Muslims/ Bedouins or non Jewish or Christian people. Of course there are also Christians and Bahaiias living there for a long time. And Israel hasn't kicked out anyone. It's the Arabs who made the calls and told the ARabs to move aside and let them wipe the Jews into the sea. (as in kill all of them). But they didn't succeed. Even though Israel had not an organized army and the ARabs had the latest Soviet weapons and Israel had a little bit of weapons, mostly tanks and guns from France and Czechoslovakia. US didn't help Israel until 1967 but really 1973. And BTW Israel didn't take Gaza from the Palestinians. It was supposed to go back to Egypt in 1980 but they didn't want it. And then they closed the border when Hamas took over. Arabs want nothing to do with the Palestinians.

  18. Great vid Jamarl and it's was also great of HA to present his thoughts without vitriol as is almost always the case when people argue the Israeli point of view.

    I'm not quite sure what type of debate tactic HA was using. He kept talking about there are two sides as if no one knows of the views of both sides. Only Israelis know about both sides of the debate but everyone else only knows one side. I mean, come on. No one knows the arguments Israelis have been sounding off for decades?

    And then there is the "I know the Palestinians are brutalized, I know, I know, I know but there are two sides to the story". This argument that Jews were on the land before is the kind of argument you'd find on a grade 4 playground – "We were playing here yesterday and we built a fort. You can't play here because we built a fort here yesterday so this is our sandpit"

    The establishment of an Israeli State, on that geographic location, was unjust and the injustice keeps growing (at this point in perpetuity) as the years go on. Were the Egyptians not there before the Israeli empire? Were there not many other cultures there since?

    Israel is indeed a very racist State and a rouge one at that. I don't know how the world continues to shrug our shoulders at the atrocities committed by the Israeli government on the Palestinians. This doesn't mean that Palastinians are the best people in the world. It is about what is right. If the shoe was on the other foot, the Palastinians would be at fault and it would be the duty of the world to identify such wrong actions and try to remedy it on behave of the Israelis.

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