Exploring chinese masculinity (and china’s ban on effeminate men)



Asian men have always been stereotyped as more “feminine”, but why is this? And what do ‘soft masculinity’, pretty boys, and …

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  1. There are three types of people in this world, the sheep, the wolves and the sheepdogs. In the example of the brother you mentioned, his impulse is to protect his sister should anyone hurt her, this makes him very different from an abuser who wishes to prey on the weak. I will just add that in the west too, intelligence and wisdom are greatly admired. I fail to see however how these 'male idols' embody the idea of Wen, they are neither scholars nor warriors.

  2. ❤I must be Honest. I Was introduced to K/C Dramas/Films about 10 Years Go. I Really Love how, They "Sort Of" Give One a Small "Peak" into Asian Cultures and How They Love.

    "MEN" Defined by Strength, Exhibited by "Somewhat" FEMALITY, Handsome, Very Good Looking, and Out Right Pretty MEN; With a Gentleness Mixed with a Touch of Roughness. One can say, "Stir up" a Female Emotions.

    Moreover, Some of these "Looks, Portraitors, Jesters, Emotions" are FEMININE; but somehow Teasing Females with a Gentle Touch or Kiss.

    Than, On the Other hand, "Some" Men are Wearing Bold Lip Stick, Red Blush, Eyeliner, and Eyelashes. Along with Soft Clothen and other Fabrics.

    Here is Where the "QUESTIONING" comes In. We know and Understand that 100's of Years Ago MEN Wore Night Gowns, Silks, Satins, Ruffles, and other types of Fabrics.

    Yet Displaying Masculine Tones, Behaviors, and Jesters Amplifying he is a Masculine Man.

    But Sometimes these "IMAGINES" of Asian Men Displaying too Strong of this si called, FEMININE Energy. In Which is a Turn Off for Women who LOVES Men and ALL Their Masculine Chactertists.

    As a result, Leading One to Question his SEXUALLY. 😮 Why DROOL of Someone who Find You, 🤢🤮"REPULSIVE" NOT HIS CUP of TEA?🤢🤮

    ❤UNAPOLOGETICLY, Loving Asian Men has Becoming my FULL Time Hobby.❤ The Western World.❤

  3. Asian men who are trans or like ladyboy they are so fucking believable like I would never guess they had a penis and you take any other man from any other culture any race it's not going to work only Asian men They make the most beautifulest women literally putting real women to shame😅 It has nothing to do with their clothes or how they act it's the features It's this soft features. I kind of feel like you missed the mark on this one 😅

  4. I think Asian men are more feminine because they have softer prettier appearance like a woman. Which isn't a bad thing I married a Filipino and he's gorgeous but he definitely has very soft features big luscious lips definitely more feminine looking but I absolutely love it so whatever😅

  5. Not reallly? They are better taught to look after themselves better. It's just male grooming outside of a fast shave is part of the culture. Also of course, different cultures different values in terms what is masculine and what is not.

  6. I find it so weird that China's trying to adopted Western masculinity ideals, our ideals are kind of toxic and honestly I agree with the person that commented about how macho guys are kind of unappealing or look threatening where they wouldn't feel safe around them. Honestly, wouldn't want to be with a macho type guy myself. I get people have their preferences, but I still can't understand why some people think macho is hot. I always felt like the whole macho thing was just what men think women want or what they themselves think is the only way to be masculine because that's what they are told by media and whatnot.

  7. There is no distinction between the warrior and the scholar, they are the same person. Claiming to be aligned with one side only highlights your underdevelopment in the other. Likewise with femininity and masculinity. It’s all about balance, always has been always will be.

  8. China is different from Japan and South Korea. China is a country that has been brainwashed by feminism. Chinese women are lazy and like to get something for nothing.

  9. Fellows,

    Regarding "prayer having power to move mountains" and "whatever you bind or loose on earth will be bound or loosed in Heaven", this may have significance to arguments about earth-alien contamination problem thought experiments.

    It is important to remember that the stars and galaxies are holy, as God is holy, and therefore contain spirits and powers of their own, powers which may have unpredictable effects both ways if released on the earth, which is the realm of mortalkind.

    Jesus is Lord. ✝️👽

    When one says "Kingdom age", it may bring to mind a vision of life on earth combined with great and fearful powers at work including dragons. This may relate to "kingdom of Babylon" which apparently stands before the great judgment at the end times of the world, and how it says "the stars will fall from the sky as late fruits from a fruit tree".

    This could relate to earth-alien contamination directly as mortal-celestial interactions manifest first from signs and apparitions of spirits and angels, then as miraculous events and tangible occurrences, as people are told to "dream big", "pay attention to the higher things", and "give prayer to move mountains".

    It might also relate to falling angels as God's ultimate domain cannot be confined merely to what is earthly and familiar to mortalkind, and therefore neither can be the Holy Spirit's.

    This life of servitude waiting for freedom from the earthly world with its worries, obligations, and deceptive wealth may be considered to be the "kingdom of unfaithful Babylon", consigned to destruction, and whoever considers the kingdom of the systems of this world, symbolized by Babylon the Great, is ultimately under deception.

    The Scriptures, signs, and miraculous events cannot be confined to "merely literal", nor "merely metaphorical". They go hand in hand with direct relevance to individuals' lives.

    It is tempting to shirk off the prevalence of negative spiritual forces as "merely someone else's problem, strange, and personally irrelevant", but it is important to recognize that while there are indeed many things beyond a single person or group's control, true wisdom has 2 sides. What makes a person say that "every dragon is evil"? What makes a person think that "a negative force or spirit never has any good in or about it"?

    It is important to remember that God does not ultimately want us to fixate on "merely the concept of right and wrong", but to believe, follow, and be saved by One's Messiah Jesus Christ, Whose Name is above any other name, and Whose Name (and possibly also Whose form) will also change after the end times judgment coming into Yahweh's sinless eternity.

    I am grateful to be able to express and discuss this with you, and it is also thanks to God, Whose spirit works with and through us to bring about not merely life, health, and prosperity, but also the very thing the world needs and desires, which is the coming of the 1st Heavens.

    Someone has said, "Jesus's change of Name is speculative", but actually, check Revelations 3:12.

  10. TIL what i wanted all along was the Qing dynasty's masculine ideal also that this whole ban on effeminate men is because they felt that bl lovers really were fujoshi in every meaning of the word and theyre ruining the country. They really said fujoshis are the reason that they didn't gold in the olympics lmao

  11. I wanted to date a first-gen American Japanese young woman on college. She turned me down. But we had classes (group thinks etc) and eventually she started talking to me as a friend. After a few months, i asked her why she had rejected me.

    Her parents had lived in Okinawa near a USMC base and for anyone who does not know, the Marines do not have the best of reputations (brawls, allegations and convictions of assaults and worse on Japanese women). Their mindset is that THAT is a young American man, brutish and disrespectful, and highly egotistical etc.

    We remained friends but it never went anywhere, sadly. I have loved Asia and Japan and hope I get to visit the region sometime soon.

  12. A term that can describe the kind of men that American women are into can be called the "cinnamon roll" man. An example would be Sean Astin and Pedro Pascal

  13. China's sentiment is correct, good for china. Feminine men, no matter what culture they're from are always useless. W*men dont know what they're talking about when they say they want soft men until a natural disaster or attacker comes for their lives. So many situations where if the woman had a more masculine and traditionally capable man they would avoid much trouble and be protected. Its not a western thing its a SURVIVAL issue.

    If you prioritize survival and strong genes for your offspring your going to like more traditionally masculine men. If you dont like thinking that far ahead and are more whimsicle and naive about mating then yea feminine men might be your taste (often to your own detriment) even tho you'll probably change your mind after you truly experience the frustration that comes with dealing with them. W*men who like Feminine men contradict themselves.

  14. Feminine men make women in the west more safe but they dont get attracted by them too lool So you got that, the "toxic masculinity" thing targeted towards traditional type of masculine men, and the whole lgbt thing all making women wonder "where real men went" and the answer is to their "rejection bucket" lol

  15. The biggest reason why Feminnate men are generally disliked by countries, is very simple.

    You need men who are brave and strong enough to fight on the borders, police the cities and fight head on with the criminals, and to carry out the dangerous jobs which are necessary for the smooth functioning of the society.

    If men were to become more obsessed with makeup, soft femminnate looks, plastic surgeries etc etc then the countries will start collapsing beyond repair.

    The quote perfectly symbolises this situation : "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times"

    There's a difference between an overly jacked body builder look, vs a lean and clean physique, vs j-pop/k-pop idols femminnate looks.

    Ideal men's looks are generally within the second type as they offer the most performance along with charm.

  16. Masculinity is not a social construct, but the understanding of it is. True masculinity is self-confidence, strength of character, basically believing in yourself and doing what needs to be done, control over oneself inwards and outwards. A masculine man won't easily "lose his nerves", nor get pressured into action. He has stable emotions and control over himself.
    Fake masculinity is behavior that seems to be masculine, because it includes (to a degree) said behaviors above. For example:
    Aggressive behavior, arrogance, violence. Such (often criminal behavior) is actually masculine weakness, as the characters cannot control their own behavior and emotions.

  17. Not just Asian men, but in general men should be strong, hardworking and intelligent. You should be able to defend your community, but no one should want to be brainwashed into wanting to die for a government (East or West, I'm not being biased) that only sees that man as an economic or military input. There's no "crisis in masculinity," there are just men learning to deal with modern-day capitalism's contradictions, the influences so much technology and the entire PR/advertising/public relations-fields' influences on our collective psyche.

  18. What an interesting discussion. In South Korea, Japan and China where birthrates are at their lowest in the world and where men it could argued are the most feminine looking is there any correlation? Has there been an increase in these countries of LGBTQ but it remains hidden? What are Asian women attracted to beside expensive handbags and lots of money these days? I suppose Xi Jinping is worried he can't fight a war with a a bunch of Chinese K-Pop Boy copies against the US? Feminisation of men across the entire world is being promoted by women. Xi is probably the last of a threatened species, man or male Panda standing. Men are assigned to being "Toxic" if they are masculine.

    Seoul, South Korea has a birth rate of 0.58, Shanghai China 0.6 and Tokyo 0.9.

    It's clear that people in these modern cities have already turned into disappearing Panda's.

  19. I am a western man but I see the traditional eastern masculinity very similar terms in the warrior ethic, honor culture, but also family culture which is more stable and formally embedded in the East including preserving its filial piety and ancestral veneration traditions. Many East Asian men are better fathers, and better providers, and that is a huge aspect of masculinity. It’s only liberalism that has destroyed much of the west and doing its poisen on the east.

  20. It’s not western ideals either. These effeminate ideals are globalist, or imposed by liberals and J/3/w/s specifically. I’m glad the CCP has sense enough to push back on it. No one in the west can. It’s very disempowering

  21. American ideas of masculinity have infected Southern African countries too. Tall, charming, clean, slender, soft spoken men with little to no facial or chest hair were the male beauty standard for ages because they were seen as more trustworthy, good community role models and reliable family men but recently I'm seeing more buff, heavily bearded men on TV cause people heavily influenced by the west claim the old beauty standard is 'feminizing the youth'. The irony is, a lot of the ethnic groups that have buff and macho men were (and still are) heavily disliked outside of their groups for being aggressive and domineering.

  22. When i think of asian masculine men i almost exclusively think of Mongolians.
    Chinese have always felt kinda feminine and weak, just my observations as a foreigner though.

  23. China should have leaned in to it to establish more soft power, and invest a lot more into the arts. I think China is way too risk averse when it comes to these things, I understand that they're very protective of all aspects of their culture because they're basically surrounded by US allies and there is a constant barrage of misinformation being made about China, but still I think their approach on these matters is too restrictive.

  24. It's hard to have both but it's definitely best to have both for balance especially for a leader, a sword can be beautiful and deadly but it doesn't have to be both, how ever I don't thing a man should ever be confused for a woman we should always make this line in the sand because are differences are the reason we attack

  25. In defense of the quote from Dorian Grey (I love playing Devil's Advocate)…

    There is one major distinction between the brother's aggression and what he fears from the fiancé… the brother's aggression is rooted in protectiveness and a sort of twisted benevolence; the violence he fears is an "outer threat" – something most cultures expect men to protect their families against. That "outer threat" could be anything, such as a wild animal, home invader, foreign army… in this case, it just happens to be a potential in-law.

    So while both his sentiment and what he fears are violent, the violence springs from very different roots, and serves a very different purpose. One is implied to be abusive, while the other would be protective; violence in defense of women as opposed to violence against women.

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